As good and honest and earnest as some players are, and have been, for St Kilda, they are not players ... also raised some fair points about the Saints. So, who is right, and who is wrong?

St Kilda and a number of other clubs are stuck in AFL no-mans land, the worst place to be as Tasmania gets set to enter the competition, and they must embrace youth before it is too late.

Like, seriously, what are we even doing here? The old logos had real character, real gravitas for the moment. This is just half-hearted court planning by the NBA. In the future, we hope the league ...

With games to come against Essendon, West Coast (away), St Kilda and North Melbourne ... AFL Photos via Getty Images Verdict: The Saints are 2-4 against top-eight teams, including their best ...